Timeline for Follow-Up: New Site Name and Scope Proposals
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| Jun 16, 2020 at 10:01 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Mar 20, 2017 at 10:29 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
replaced http://meta.stackexchange.com/ with https://meta.stackexchange.com/
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| Mar 17, 2017 at 8:26 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
replaced http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/ with https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/
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| Mar 17, 2017 at 8:26 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
replaced http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/ with https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/
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| Jul 22, 2016 at 22:03 | history | edited | gnat |
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| Jul 22, 2016 at 19:55 | history | edited | Thomas OwensMod |
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| Jul 22, 2016 at 19:12 | comment | added | user22815 | @Shog9 I'm just the messenger for someone who can no longer post here ;-) | |
| Jul 22, 2016 at 18:02 | comment | added | Shog9 | I put three questions at the end of this post, @snowman. That's what I'm interested in here. If two bullet points are the only flaw here, that's really quite good... As long as that isn't just a duck. | |
| Jul 22, 2016 at 17:16 | comment | added | user22815 | @Shog9 A former Prog.SE member brought up a good point: "If bikeshedding the number of bullet points is what the SE is looking for on meta and unclosed bikeshedding on the main site, please say so so that the community can appropriately adjust to what is actually expected of us." | |
| Jul 22, 2016 at 16:57 | answer | added | user22815 | timeline score: 7 | |
| Jul 22, 2016 at 14:21 | answer | added | Robert Harvey | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 20:12 | answer | added | ChrisFMod | timeline score: 8 | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 17:54 | comment | added | gnat | don't know if @RobertHarvey will agree but to me primary appeal of interstitial is the way how it targets folks who ask 20% questions at Programmers. I am talking about those who try to circumvent block at Stack Overflow. Absence of interstitial sends them wrong signal that this site will be more forgiving about their trash than SO. I expect interstitial to help them sooner realize that it is not so, that here we've got same quality control system that blocked them over there | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 16:59 | history | edited | Thomas OwensMod |
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| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:57 | history | edited | Robert Harvey | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:51 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | @Rachel: As long as we get "but not code troubleshooting" at the very top of the Tour page, that's all I really care about. I think that's all the weight the top of the page can handle. I don't think new users look at those bullets (they're too far down the page), so if I had a preference, I'd rather they be as specific as possible while still brief, so that we can point back to them and say "we already told you this was off-topic," but it's just a preference, now that I know which page is being targeted for the changes. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:47 | comment | added | Rachel | @RobertHarvey, Shog, Personally I think we are trying to use the interstitial page as a substitute to the poor Ask Questions page. I think if SE improves the Ask page as per recent discussions, that would make interstitial obsolete. I agree with Shog though that we should keep the information forced on a user very simple and to a minimum, while our information for when they seek information should be very detailed, such as meta-faq posts. I mentioned this here as well. :) | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:36 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | Make the lists whatever you want. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:35 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | Description: Software Engineering Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for practitioners, researchers and students of software engineering to ask questions directly related to the Systems Engineering Life Cycle, but not code troubleshooting. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:34 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | Name: Software Engineering | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:32 | comment | added | Shog9 | Tour is where I hope to see the most benefit here, @Robert. As I said, it gets shown early, to the folks most often stumbling on the current descriptions of the site. Folks who are already stumbling see /help/on-topic, and that's useful too... But by then, some damage is already done. To be clear, whatever y'all finally agree on should be consistent across the site, and that includes any changes we make to /ask on down the line... But let's start off with a focus on what folks see first: name, description, short lists. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:17 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | As long as Tour has a short blurb about what you can't do here, I'm happy with whatever else you folks come up with, even if all I can get is the phrase "except for code troubleshooting" in the mission statement. In other news, knowing that you folks were targeting Tour in the first place would have cleared up a lot of confusion. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:08 | comment | added | Shog9 | Gotta be honest, @Robert - I'm not sold on the utility of an interstitial here. The biggest value for that page on Stack Overflow is the folks finding duplicates via that search box; that's unlikely to be as valuable here, at least in the very near future. We saw very little benefit from it on Server Fault. In any case, if we're gonna test the idea here, we should do it separately from the rest of these changes. Tour is my focus here; folks actually get redirected to that after signup, which is a pretty good place to catch them before they're determined to ask a question. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 15:04 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | @Shog9: Can we drop the debate about Help/On-Topic? It's mod editable, and new users never read that page anyway. Can we focus on the interstitial? | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 14:58 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | @Rachel: The list in that other post isn't growing at all. It hasn't changed in weeks. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 14:56 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | The Systems Development Life Cycle wikipedia page describes our scope completely. Perhaps we should just link to that. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 14:32 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | What if we put the "what you can ask about" in the "on-topic" Help Center article, and "what you can't ask about" in the interstitial page? There are only six bullets in our "on-topic," not eight, and our "off-topic" is a single, short paragraph; it doesn't contain any bullets at all. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 14:12 | comment | added | Shog9 | I was serious about everything, @Robert. Y'all have been asking for this for years; if we're gonna put the work in to do it, we should take it seriously. Short and to the point is critical here if you want to make an impact. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 14:08 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | Do people coming from forum environments even know what the phrase "off-topic" means? In other news, you really were serious about the four bullet points, weren't you? A bit disappointed, I was kinda hoping for a bit more guidance for new users. If the amount of text is really the brick-wall limiting factor, I would have preferred that we limited it to what they can't ask about, as these on-topics don't really capture the flavor we're after. Have we given up on the interstitial page? | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 13:34 | comment | added | Shog9 | Yeah, I'm already anticipating having to slice and dice that sentence to work it into the various "audience description" fields; guess I got a bit too enthusiastic with the prefix ;-) | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 13:31 | comment | added | Rachel | I like it, better than the slowly growing list in the other post :) The tag line still reads as a bit funny to me though, like the wording is a bit off. Maybe because the prefix is missing? Maybe something more like : Software Engineering Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for those involved in the Software Development Lifecycle, and who care about writing, shipping, and maintaining code responsibly. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 11:47 | answer | added | Thomas OwensMod | timeline score: 4 | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 11:37 | answer | added | maple_shaftMod | timeline score: 17 | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 5:37 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackProgrammer/status/756000075843796992 | ||
| Jul 21, 2016 at 4:52 | comment | added | candied_orange | I like it. Still want to keep the coffee cup. | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 3:30 | comment | added | gnat | see also: Are you still confused about what Programmers is for? | |
| Jul 21, 2016 at 1:48 | history | asked | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |