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Just to bring up the extreme here:

When using ProgrammersSoftware Engineering, I don't want to care about Stack Overflow or how they do things - they are a separate community (that just happens to have a large number of shared users with this site). When wearing my Programmers hat, I just know that a site called Stack Overflow exists, they like questions about implementation details and other hands on development/implementation stuff, and if I see a question like this, I can suggest that it goes there to be answered by the experts in such things.

For some sites, there is insufficient information about what they expect or need from a question to understand first if a question is good and second what needs to be clarified in order to make it a good (or better) question. That's why I tend to vote off-topic and would vote to move even questions lacking detail - the experts could say that in order to answer, they need to know X, Y, and Z about the situation. If the asker chooses not to clarify, then they can deal with it, but at least it's in a place where the asker can get help.

So I'm just wondering if this isn't the whole "users vote to move" being a flawed concept, or perhaps even the whole migration system being a bad idea. It was fine when there were three sites and a Meta, and it was very clear exactly what questions go on what site, but that isn't the case anymore. As a user of a particular SE site, I don't want to be bothered with knowing how other SE sites work. If I use a given site, I know what that community expects (or at least, I should, since I'm a part of that community), but I don't know what that other community over there likes.

Either way, I think this needs to be kicked back to the SE team, with advice to reconsider an "accept this moved question" queue or the removal of user-driven moves entirely (perhaps letting users suggest sites from all Stack Exchange sites to migrate to and diamond mods actually approving the move).

Just to bring up the extreme here:

When using Programmers, I don't want to care about Stack Overflow or how they do things - they are a separate community (that just happens to have a large number of shared users with this site). When wearing my Programmers hat, I just know that a site called Stack Overflow exists, they like questions about implementation details and other hands on development/implementation stuff, and if I see a question like this, I can suggest that it goes there to be answered by the experts in such things.

For some sites, there is insufficient information about what they expect or need from a question to understand first if a question is good and second what needs to be clarified in order to make it a good (or better) question. That's why I tend to vote off-topic and would vote to move even questions lacking detail - the experts could say that in order to answer, they need to know X, Y, and Z about the situation. If the asker chooses not to clarify, then they can deal with it, but at least it's in a place where the asker can get help.

So I'm just wondering if this isn't the whole "users vote to move" being a flawed concept, or perhaps even the whole migration system being a bad idea. It was fine when there were three sites and a Meta, and it was very clear exactly what questions go on what site, but that isn't the case anymore. As a user of a particular SE site, I don't want to be bothered with knowing how other SE sites work. If I use a given site, I know what that community expects (or at least, I should, since I'm a part of that community), but I don't know what that other community over there likes.

Either way, I think this needs to be kicked back to the SE team, with advice to reconsider an "accept this moved question" queue or the removal of user-driven moves entirely (perhaps letting users suggest sites from all Stack Exchange sites to migrate to and diamond mods actually approving the move).

Just to bring up the extreme here:

When using Software Engineering, I don't want to care about Stack Overflow or how they do things - they are a separate community (that just happens to have a large number of shared users with this site). When wearing my Programmers hat, I just know that a site called Stack Overflow exists, they like questions about implementation details and other hands on development/implementation stuff, and if I see a question like this, I can suggest that it goes there to be answered by the experts in such things.

For some sites, there is insufficient information about what they expect or need from a question to understand first if a question is good and second what needs to be clarified in order to make it a good (or better) question. That's why I tend to vote off-topic and would vote to move even questions lacking detail - the experts could say that in order to answer, they need to know X, Y, and Z about the situation. If the asker chooses not to clarify, then they can deal with it, but at least it's in a place where the asker can get help.

So I'm just wondering if this isn't the whole "users vote to move" being a flawed concept, or perhaps even the whole migration system being a bad idea. It was fine when there were three sites and a Meta, and it was very clear exactly what questions go on what site, but that isn't the case anymore. As a user of a particular SE site, I don't want to be bothered with knowing how other SE sites work. If I use a given site, I know what that community expects (or at least, I should, since I'm a part of that community), but I don't know what that other community over there likes.

Either way, I think this needs to be kicked back to the SE team, with advice to reconsider an "accept this moved question" queue or the removal of user-driven moves entirely (perhaps letting users suggest sites from all Stack Exchange sites to migrate to and diamond mods actually approving the move).

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Just to bring up the extreme here:

When using Programmers, I don't want to care about Stack Overflow or how they do things - they are a separate community (that just happens to have a large number of shared users with this site). When wearing my Programmers hat, I just know that a site called Stack Overflow exists, they like questions about implementation details and other hands on development/implementation stuff, and if I see a question like this, I can suggest that it goes there to be answered by the experts in such things.

For some sites, there is insufficient information about what they expect or need from a question to understand first if a question is good and second what needs to be clarified in order to make it a good (or better) question. That's why I tend to vote off-topic and would vote to move even questions lacking detail - the experts could say that in order to answer, they need to know X, Y, and Z about the situation. If the asker chooses not to clarify, then they can deal with it, but at least it's in a place where the asker can get help.

So I'm just wondering if this isn't the whole "users vote to move" being a flawed concept, or perhaps even the whole migration system being a bad idea. It was fine when there were three sites and a Meta, and it was very clear exactly what questions go on what site, but that isn't the case anymore. As a user of a particular SE site, I don't want to be bothered with knowing how other SE sites work. If I use a given site, I know what that community expects (or at least, I should, since I'm a part of that community), but I don't know what that other community over there likes.

Either way, I think this needs to be kicked back to the SE team, with advice to reconsider an "accept this moved question" queue or the removal of user-driven moves entirely (perhaps letting users suggest sites from all Stack Exchange sites to migrate to and diamond mods actually approving the move).